tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post7000529310808745056..comments2009-01-13T01:56:55.650-05:00Black Doghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03583346651230552519noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-8395344932413068812009-01-13T01:56:00.000-05:002009-01-13T01:56:00.000-05:00The whole cap situation is not working out for the veterans. Nobody wants to pay an Oates deal. People are looking for a deal u know the problem the Oilers may have is that people may want to take a run at RFA's. So you have to make a guess of what a player may be worth in a future. We had some good deals and even Nilson may turn around it has time. Penner may be an overpay but it was crap shoot.<BR/>Yo Hunter if you think the Oilers are a joke then look at attendance figures. It ain't pretty will they be able to resign all those guys it will be a dance. <BR/>The next thing for the league is going to be able to release players. You ain't performing see ya cause the trades are just not happening.Swabbubbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01974349008633599089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-43569443790678855562009-01-13T00:33:00.000-05:002009-01-13T00:33:00.000-05:00"Its the Nilsson deal or the kid from Florida who got one last summer, can't recall his name but he's no great shakes."<BR/><BR/>Rostislav Olesz.<BR/><BR/>Try spelling that drunk.doritograndehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14497613230666426389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-33146200321314539212009-01-12T11:04:00.000-05:002009-01-12T11:04:00.000-05:00Paying for a Guy Lafleur to flower(lol), might make sense, or even a Getzlaf, but Nilsson!? Penner!!???<BR/><BR/>Overpaying anyone for anything is mug's game. Always had been, and always will be. <BR/><BR/>When I was 15 I was in love with a girl who turned out to be a right little whore. Should I have married her, based on my perception of her potential? Of course not. <BR/><BR/>Funny how the elite teams like the Red Wings rarely if ever get messed around by overpaying for players. <BR/><BR/>The Oilers on the other hand are paying out enough extra(Staios, Moreau, Pisani, Roloson, Penner etc), to pay for a Hossa or Ovechkin. Of course with the cap, overpaying for everyone leaves the wallet empty, just when the team needs the extra cash.<BR/><BR/>No wonder Wings fans laugh at us.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, the Oilers are fast becoming one of the joke teams of the NHL.hunter1909http://www.blogger.com/profile/05591790801665471272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-22674813905236419092009-01-12T07:40:00.000-05:002009-01-12T07:40:00.000-05:00Vic - ah, I'm not arguing that fact. I think the Oilers have put together some nice kids and as you say its ups and downs for all of them. I'm not as down on the club as many are although I feel that there are enough issues to frustrate me outside of the kids.<BR/><BR/>Its two and three years down the road that hopefully they will be having some impact.<BR/><BR/>And for that matter I don't mind the new salary model. It just seems a little out there at times. Its one thing to pay Getzlaf big money after three years that include a Cup and two pretty good years.<BR/><BR/>Paying Nilsson (albeit not the ~4 per that seems the rule) after two good months is a little much and makes it difficult for his coach to have much hand in the relationship.Black Doghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03583346651230552519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-18104633491095577822009-01-12T01:22:00.000-05:002009-01-12T01:22:00.000-05:00Right now Gagner is playing well, and pucks are starting to cross the line for him and his linemates. Cogliano has faded and Nilsson isn't where he was. Brodziak played some of the softest ice time of any Oiler last year by Tyler's, Desjardin's and esp Willis' metric ... now he's being asked to take on the old Stoll gig and it's not going well. Pouliot is showing flashes now, a year ago it didn't lokk good for him, he was in the AHL and had looked dreadful in his early stint with the Oil.<BR/><BR/>A week from now probably things have changed. Maybe Nilsson will have been the Oiler's best player over the last two games, maybe Gagner will have become the grey man and maybe Cogliano will have made a mistake that lead directly to a goal against that cost the Oilers a game, and two of three Lowetiders and Gregorites are demanding his benching in favour of Rob Schremp.<BR/><BR/>They have some good young players, Pat. Where was Hemsky at Gagner's age and/or NHL experience? Without checking, I'd say 150 NHL games away from truly helping his team win at evens (dude was the bomb on the PP from early on).<BR/><BR/>Where was Horcoff at Cogliano's age? In college I think.<BR/><BR/>I mean the Oilers don't have Malkin/Crosby or Ovechkin/Semin. Hell they don't have Kane/Toews either. But they have some good young players.<BR/><BR/>They'll be fine in the long run I'm sure. Personally, I'm not all in, but if they make the playoffs it will be great. Even the annual late season push for the last playoff spot will be fun, it always has been.Vic Ferrarihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16425585921916867277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-5727952131616617042009-01-11T16:29:00.000-05:002009-01-11T16:29:00.000-05:00Baroque is right, if course, its every club in on it. And the Oilers were one of the first to do it with Hemsky and that is a terrific contract.<BR/><BR/>It is getting a little crazy though - its one thing to pay Hemsky, Getzlaf, Carter and so on, guys who look like sure bets. Then you have the DiPietro and Richards contracts, good bet to make but a gamble on their health.<BR/><BR/>Its the Nilsson deal or the kid from Florida who got one last summer, can't recall his name but he's no great shakes.<BR/><BR/>Those are the weird ones.Black Doghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03583346651230552519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-22011838226411328512009-01-11T15:59:00.000-05:002009-01-11T15:59:00.000-05:00I'd rather pay for potential than for past performance.<BR/><BR/>Exhibit A: Steve Staios<BR/><BR/>Exhibit B: Ethan MoreauHBombhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00698318464039120244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-86092855486181533072009-01-11T15:55:00.000-05:002009-01-11T15:55:00.000-05:00But Hunter, ALL teams have to pay based on potential with the earlier onset of free agency. <BR/><BR/>Their choices are to pay a player long-term on potential, thinking that he will continue to improve and will be a relative bargain later on, since they can't control him for so many years anymore and be more certain of what they have in the player ...<BR/><BR/>... or continue paying for shorter-term contracts and waiting until he develops and they have a better idea of what he is capable of doing in a game, and then paying much more money for him (since he has a far better argument to support getting a higher salary now) or risk losing him for nothing since he has been soured on staying with the team because previous negotiations were acrimonious.<BR/><BR/>It isn't an Oiler situation - it's a NHL situation in general. A lot of teams are struggling with how best to allocate capped dollars to have a decent team and field a full roster with as few holes as possible.Baroquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22154407.post-9898055806389289262009-01-11T14:29:00.000-05:002009-01-11T14:29:00.000-05:00LOL<BR/><BR/>Thank that drunk Irishman Lowe for that!<BR/><BR/>Paying for "potential!????"<BR/><BR/>If I got paid for potential I'd be on easy street. But in the racket I work in, it's more about results. <BR/><BR/>So sorry, but the Oilers "model" is the laughingstock of the NHL. <BR/><BR/>All Oilers fans can hope for is that Katz steps in and buys some of these bums out. <BR/><BR/>Did I say bums?hunter1909http://www.blogger.com/profile/05591790801665471272noreply@blogger.com